tzs 3 months ago

Quite a few people seem to be under the impression that O'Reilly DRM-free ePub and PDF books are no longer available, or maybe are only available now with DRM.

Not so.

O'Reilly stopped selling those on its own site, but they still produce them and sell them through retailers.

For example, ebooks.com carries them in both DRM-free ePub and DRM-free PDF [1].

When searching at ebooks.com, you can add "Format:18" to your keywords to search for DRM-free PDF, or "Format:17" to search for DRM-free ePub.

[1] https://www.ebooks.com/searchapp/searchresults.net?sortBy=So...

  • g-b-r 3 months ago

    Yeah, but the prices are ridiculous. The O'Reilly books in the recent years were clearly priced taking into account that most people would have taken advantage of their perpetual 50% or periodic 60% discounts. At full price they are absurd.

    I've been following the eBooks.com newsletter for several months, but they seem to have at most rare discounts of 20% (understandable since that's probably close to what they get paid).

    Even if I managed to overcome my distaste for O'Reilly since their move and if worthwhile new titles kept being published, I would be very reluctant to spend those sums for a single ebook.

    Personally I've been "lucky" enough to spend thousands of dollars on them in the last years and there are few titles that I'm still missing.

  • hendi_ 3 months ago

    Wow, that is great, thank you for posting this.

    Just the other day I've torrented a PDF that I couldn't buy from O'Reilly.

  • clumsysmurf 3 months ago

    For O'Reilly PDFs, are these conversions from another format or sourced directly from O'Reilly ?

    • vbernat 3 months ago

      Dunno for ebooks.com (whose prices are significantly higher), but on Google Playstore, ePub is clearly not sourced from O'Reilly. Line heights are not even consistent.

  • a3n 3 months ago

    When I bought from Oreilly they maintained a download anytime list, and sent me free update lists. Who if anyone does this now?

    • miah_ 3 months ago

      The Pragmatic Bookshelf at pragprog.com still does.

skizm 3 months ago

FYI: The $25 box is checked automatically and there is no confirm window after the paypal window. I just accidentally payed $10 over what I wanted to pay. That "checkout area" needs to be a little more clear I think. I didn't even realize that was the checkout area. I honestly didn't even notice the amount bubbles and was wondering when I was supposed to plug in what I wanted to pay. I was super confused when I got to the last page. Didn't notice until I got the paypal notification on my phone and went back to the main page.

I realize I'm dumb, but maybe someone will read this and not make the same mistake.

  • bawigga 3 months ago

    At least some of that $10 went towards a good cause!

    • Jare 3 months ago

      All of it went to good causes imho. :)

  • mavrc 3 months ago

    Having done this myself, in my case, a quick email to the Humble support team got the order cancelled and I was able to re-order at the correct price.

    I agree that it would be nice if the price required active confirmation; it's too easy to choose the wrong thing.

  • staikken 3 months ago

    Note also if for some reason the payment fails (for example an error with the captcha) the payment resets to $25. Didn't catch it the second time through the payment process.

  • ineedtosleep 3 months ago

    Yep, I also did the same and accidentally clicked on the "Pay Instantly with Paypal" button -- which indeed did what it said it would. I supposed I'm not too torn up about it since I put a large majority of the purchase towards charity, but I feel like I fell for a subtle UX trap even after 10+ Humble Bundle purchases.

sekh60 3 months ago

Seems like a very good buy. I generally like O'Reilly books. That said I am still very disappointed they decided to stop selling ebooks directly in favour of pushing their subscription service. Other than HumbleBundle I don't know a DRM free way to buy them.

  • newscracker 3 months ago

    When that switch was made, I wrote a strong mail to them. Those who dislike this move and have the Safari Online subscription through their companies should boycott that too.

    I used to buy eBooks from O'Reilly somewhat often, but the push for subscription, as if books are like music streaming services, left a bad taste in my mouth.

  • KSS42 3 months ago

    Have you tried your local library?

    Toronto Public Library offers Safari Online and Lynda.com and many other online services

vbernat 3 months ago

Recently, O'Reilly stopped providing ePub. If you want this format, you can buy from Google Playstore but the typography here is bad. Has someone checked how are the ePub in the bundle? Good old O'Reilly ePubs or quickly converted from some HTML?

  • lewapkon 3 months ago

    Mobi files are easily convertible to ePub without any loss (you can use for instance Calibre).

    • vbernat 3 months ago

      Buying Mobi files is sending a signal that DRM are OK.

      • Spivak 3 months ago

        I have a lot of DRM-free Mobi files. Do you just mean that .mobi are typically shipped with DRM? Because the same is true for ePUB too.

        • vbernat 3 months ago

          You are right. In my head, Mobi files were always downloaded from Amazon (and here, they always come with a DRM, right?).

  • yla92 3 months ago

    The ePubs from the bundle are quite okay. I just tried one of the books with FBReader on Ubuntu.

    • vbernat 3 months ago

      Here is an example of an O'Reilly book in ePub format, as bought on Google Playstore: https://imgur.com/a/wPK7G. Clearly, nobody took a glimpse at this version before publishing. The second image is from an old JunOS book bought directly on O'Reilly website.

      EDIT: Just bought the bundle, checked the Rust book and ePub is pretty good!

  • djvdorp 3 months ago

    The ePub's look rather okay!

solidangle 3 months ago

FYI, Real World Haskell (one of the books in the bundle) is available for free on the author's website: http://book.realworldhaskell.org/

  • icc97 3 months ago

    Only in an 'online' format though. If you want the ePub / PDF then its better to buy the book. Having the content free online is really useful for linking/referencing to the content.

    It's similar with Learn You A Haskell [0]. That too is free online, but I read through an ePub copy that I got via a Humble Bundle. I could never actually fully read through an online version of a book I think.

    [0]: http://learnyouahaskell.com/

  • ranit 3 months ago

    Fair point. It is free in HTML format on its page. And as the authors said (on the page you linked) "We make the content freely available online. If you like it, please buy a copy."

    This looks like a trend: to provide a free on-line copy and still sell "better" formats.

sotojuan 3 months ago

Programming Rust is currently ~$50 new on Amazon ($30 digital)... if you don't mind it being digital this is a bargain. I wonder why they decided to put this on there considering it just came out, but what a great thing.

  • lallysingh 3 months ago

    And when did Rust become a functional language?

    • yetanotheruser 3 months ago
      • steveklabnik 3 months ago

        Please note that this is from 2014, before Rust 1.0, and therefore is inaccurate in a few ways.

        We talk a little bit about Rust and functional programming in the book: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/second-edition/ch13-00-functi...

        > Rust’s design has taken inspiration from a lot of existing languages and techniques, and one significant influence is functional programming. Programming in a functional style often includes using functions as values, by passing them in arguments, returning them from other functions, assigning them to variables for later execution, and so forth. We won’t debate here the issue of what, exactly, functional programming is or is not, but will instead show off some features of Rust that are similar to features in many languages often referred to as functional.

        • yetanotheruser 3 months ago

          Thanks for replying. I've got to check this out.

aaron-lebo 3 months ago

Great deals - the Rust book is easily worth $15 by itself.

  • ranit 3 months ago

    I usually buy HumbleBumble's programming bundles without much hesitation. There is always at least one book that is worth the whole deal. And the money is going to a good cause.

    • reificator 3 months ago

      That's my approach as well.

      Mobile book bundle? I don't typically do much mobile outside of the browser, but I'll grab it just in case I get the itch.

      Security? I don't make a living there but it's always been a fun hobby of mine. Sold.

      Cryptocurrency? Not interested in investing, but I might as well get a deeper dive on blockchain et al.

      Usually 10-15 books for the price of one? Sign me up.

      • tasty_freeze 3 months ago

        Honestly, the price of a book doesn't matter to me. I'm far, far more constrained by time than money. Give me 15 free books and most of them are just going to sit on my shelf for a long time.

        Unlike reading a novel, I find reading technical books don't really "stick" unless I invest significant time, right then, using the language and actually trying out what I'm learning.

        It is akin to my experience with learning an instrument -- it is easy to get sucked into buying books and watching videos, but it does zero for my ability unless I'm actively playing and struggling with it.

        • g-b-r 3 months ago

          Some fair points but if like most people you can spend only so much, getting more books for that same much is useful: if you have 15 books of a same subject matter you can rather easily compare them with a quick skim and devote significant effort only to the best ones, or pick only the best parts from each. Otherwise you can easily end up spending weeks on what only when you'll have gained more experience you'll realize was a worthless crappy book.

          Even if you're careful in checking the reviews before buying, a lot of technical books have only few, questionable ones, and sometimes there are remarkable books behind them nonetheless!

        • reificator 3 months ago

          I like having a library that I can flip to when I'm bored and want to do something productive.

    • CameronBanga 3 months ago

      Same, I usually just buy in order to encourage more of these bundles. I bought this one without hesitation, even though I'll probably never read any of them.

    • ocdtrekkie 3 months ago

      Same. I figure I'm building myself a pretty handy reference library for a fraction of what I'd spend on Safari... now the only way O'Reilly is offering these ebooks directly.

    • outsideoflife 3 months ago

      I really learn much better from a paper book, so I use Humble Bundle as a cheap way to preview the books! It is still worth 15 bucks!

    • NicoJuicy 3 months ago

      Same, development books and electronic books. There was also a mobile dev book and java bundle recently.

  • illuminati1911 3 months ago

    Is it worth reading if one already knows basics of rust and has read ”the book”.

    • steveklabnik 3 months ago

      They're very different books, and I think compliment each other well. I co-authored "the book" and still am quite happy to have spent $50 on it.

  • eberkund 3 months ago

    I bought it just for that and consider the other dozen or so books a bonus :)

jeanmichelx 3 months ago

How is Functional Thinking? I'm starting to write a toy SAT solver in scala and I could probably benefit from some good,non-trivial design examples

  • jeremy_k 3 months ago

    I really enjoyed Functional Thinking, read it a few months ago. Its a very good introduction to get yourself thinking... functionally! All the examples are Java 9, Scala, Groovy, or Clojure, which isn't my cup of tea since I don't write code on the JVM, but its more about understanding the concepts (and shouldn't be an issue for you).

    A quick rundown of some high level keywords I jotted down while reading. Map, Reduce/Fold, Filter, Apply, Curry, Partial Application, Memoization, Lazy Loading / Streams, Either / Option in Scala.

    • vorg 3 months ago

      > All the examples are Java 9, Scala, Groovy, or Clojure

      Some of those languages are more functional than others. I'd put them on a scale from least functional to most like so:

        Java 8 (least functional)
        Apache Groovy
        Java 9
        Scala
        Clojure (most functional)
    • jeanmichelx 3 months ago

      Thank you, I'll probably pick it up

Avshalom 3 months ago

Who the hell at o'rielly is responsible for choosing the animals?

bloaf 3 months ago

Does anyone have any F# books they would recommend?

ballenf 3 months ago

Is there any hope for getting browsers to implement proper tail calls?

  • Scarbutt 3 months ago

    Safari already does it, don't know about the status of other browsers.

vymague 3 months ago

I haven't bought humble book bundles for a few years. Is there something wrong on my end, or is the only charity option Code for America?

  • brewdad 3 months ago

    Different bundles will have different charities that they support, however each bundle usually only offers one charity. You still have the option of spreading your payment around to Humble, the developers, or the charity in whatever ratio you prefer.