I almost couldn't make it past "new forms of work-life balance that are inclusive and experiential", but soldiered on into the "blockchain" chat. Twaddle.
This is an interesting thought, but likely, millenials will shift right as they get older...as previous generations have done. I wouldn't make predictions about the future based on a static, unchanging population.
>The authors found that a given age cohort’s attitudes changed over time — more often later in life — and that “the direction of change is most often toward increased tolerance rather than increased conservatism.”
If you're 34 by most (all?) date ranges I've seen you ARE a millennial. The most common range I've seen is anyone who turned 18 on or after 2000.
I'm also an older millennial (33 born in 1985) and I feel like I share almost nothing in common with the younger millennials but unfortunately I've accepted that is the group I'm in.
I had the opposite experience as you though. I started off really conservative like my parents and moved further left as I aged and experience a more diverse group of people.
Though I consider myself firmly a Libertarian I am left of the center on almost all social issues. And a lot of the people I know are the same. Left on social issues but right on economic issues.
I can't see myself ever going so far left as to be in socialist territory though.
Counter-example here - used to be more of a libertarian but have shifted my perspective from the view of the individual as an atomic unit.
I don't think there's an obvious generalization to make. My 5c would be that (as another commented pointed out) in general people who start off as ideologists (in whatever direction) will lean more towards pragmatism later in life, while others will become exposed to ideas and environments that will radicalize them.
Do you have references for this? I really wonder if and why this might be true. If it is the working aspect of getting older that lures people to the right, the changes in work-life balance may also influence this.
Here's the 2016 results where older voters (65+) preferred Trump to Clinton. I also grew up in one of the biggest retirement communities in Florida and while anecdotal, many of them would tell me they were Democrats when they were younger and shifted right as they got older.
I would say, that as you get wealthier, you tend to want to protect that wealth. And older folks are wealthier than younger folks. That's my biggest guess.
I'm not so sure, many who lived through the Great Depression never did turn meaningfully right. Here[1] are some conversations with people who lived through that time. What's amazing to me is how class conscious the people who struggled during that time retain many years later (and how little class consciousness is present in those who didn't - listen to the interview with the photographer). Of course the recession is not as stark as the depression but this struggle against poverty can leave a lasting mark. I think what's accurate isn't to say that people shift right as they get older, it's to say that people become more conservative as they become more secure. In the recent past age has correlated with that security but if that's no longer the case then I'm not sure we'll see the same shift.
I am all for receiving free stuff and not having to pay for it. The only problem is that is impossible (unless you are a nordic country where the government owns the black gold pumping industry. (even then its not sustainable))
There is more than enough money to go around in the US. Just look at the wealth controlled by the top 1%. The only question is whether will we have a John Galt type of situation or not. A lot of people contend that this myth is total bullshit and Ayn Rand was an idiot.
Money doesn’t do anything except direct the flow of labor and resources. Which labor are you going to take away and what are you going to take raw resources away from? What are you going to redirect them to do?
I hope socialist millennials manage to usher in some more basic and necessary socialist functions first. If only the US could manage a reasonably functional and equitable healthcare system and a fair and sustainable nationalized pension system.
I almost couldn't make it past "new forms of work-life balance that are inclusive and experiential", but soldiered on into the "blockchain" chat. Twaddle.
This is an interesting thought, but likely, millenials will shift right as they get older...as previous generations have done. I wouldn't make predictions about the future based on a static, unchanging population.
It's not as black and white as that. There's also evidence to prove the opposite. See: https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/getting-more-l... for instance.
>The authors found that a given age cohort’s attitudes changed over time — more often later in life — and that “the direction of change is most often toward increased tolerance rather than increased conservatism.”
Tolerance is one thing. Socialism is quite another.
Agreed. When I was in my 20's I was extremely far left, but now I'm mostly conservative. And I'm only 34 - just shy of being a millennial.
If you're 34 by most (all?) date ranges I've seen you ARE a millennial. The most common range I've seen is anyone who turned 18 on or after 2000.
I'm also an older millennial (33 born in 1985) and I feel like I share almost nothing in common with the younger millennials but unfortunately I've accepted that is the group I'm in.
I had the opposite experience as you though. I started off really conservative like my parents and moved further left as I aged and experience a more diverse group of people.
Though I consider myself firmly a Libertarian I am left of the center on almost all social issues. And a lot of the people I know are the same. Left on social issues but right on economic issues.
I can't see myself ever going so far left as to be in socialist territory though.
Edit: fixed a minor typo.
Counter-example here - used to be more of a libertarian but have shifted my perspective from the view of the individual as an atomic unit.
I don't think there's an obvious generalization to make. My 5c would be that (as another commented pointed out) in general people who start off as ideologists (in whatever direction) will lean more towards pragmatism later in life, while others will become exposed to ideas and environments that will radicalize them.
What made you change your mind? (lefty in mid 20s)
Not OP but in a similar "boat"...largely paying for stuff (bills/mortgages/kids) and also taxes. Specifically on a 1099 basis (U.S.).
Not my quote but the smartest thing the U.S. government ever did was take out your taxes with each paycheck.
Still socially liberal (I mean who in 2018 actually isn't?) but definitely far more financially conservative than I used to be.
Still socially liberal (I mean who in 2018 actually isn't?)
Is this sarcasm? I'm not trying to be curt, but obviously lots of people are not socially liberal.
Do you have references for this? I really wonder if and why this might be true. If it is the working aspect of getting older that lures people to the right, the changes in work-life balance may also influence this.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump...
Here's the 2016 results where older voters (65+) preferred Trump to Clinton. I also grew up in one of the biggest retirement communities in Florida and while anecdotal, many of them would tell me they were Democrats when they were younger and shifted right as they got older.
I would say, that as you get wealthier, you tend to want to protect that wealth. And older folks are wealthier than younger folks. That's my biggest guess.
I'm not so sure, many who lived through the Great Depression never did turn meaningfully right. Here[1] are some conversations with people who lived through that time. What's amazing to me is how class conscious the people who struggled during that time retain many years later (and how little class consciousness is present in those who didn't - listen to the interview with the photographer). Of course the recession is not as stark as the depression but this struggle against poverty can leave a lasting mark. I think what's accurate isn't to say that people shift right as they get older, it's to say that people become more conservative as they become more secure. In the recent past age has correlated with that security but if that's no longer the case then I'm not sure we'll see the same shift.
[1] http://studsterkel.matrix.msu.edu/htimes.php
This article is just a large number of general words which aren't supported by facts very well.
So....like everything on Medium? It's amazing how quick that site has gone to shit
I am all for receiving free stuff and not having to pay for it. The only problem is that is impossible (unless you are a nordic country where the government owns the black gold pumping industry. (even then its not sustainable))
There is more than enough money to go around in the US. Just look at the wealth controlled by the top 1%. The only question is whether will we have a John Galt type of situation or not. A lot of people contend that this myth is total bullshit and Ayn Rand was an idiot.
Money doesn’t do anything except direct the flow of labor and resources. Which labor are you going to take away and what are you going to take raw resources away from? What are you going to redirect them to do?
What good is basic income if a single medical bill can bankrupt you? We need to fix the healthcare system first!
Lost me at the first sentence. “One of the interesting things about capitalism is its failure results in value shifts among younger generations”
Oh I’m sorry, modern society is a failure eh?
I hope socialist millennials manage to usher in some more basic and necessary socialist functions first. If only the US could manage a reasonably functional and equitable healthcare system and a fair and sustainable nationalized pension system.