barbegal 5 days ago

This is a confusing article. The main content is a description of how to implement a simple operating system scheduler which effectively is implementing locks using instruction level primitives.

The author has completely neglected the most common cases where either "tasks" require multiple resources (e.g. when copying between two files) or where the ordering of tasks is important. It is these two conditions that lead to deadlocks and livelocks.

  • sterlind 5 days ago

    Most (though not all, see Midori) OSes use preemptive multitasking and threads. These tasks are cooperating coroutines - a different beast. Of course you can use tasks to implement a thread scheduler, but this machinery would probably live in a user-mode runtime.

    As for the neglected cases, you can build those out of these primitives: canonical ordering of tasks for multiple resource acquisition; work stealing and/or a DAG executor where ordering is important.

    My only criticism is that it's a little redundant to implement both mutexes and semaphores - a mutex is just a semaphore of 1. But the rest is wonderful.

    • plasticchris 5 days ago

      Mutex is for resource locking, semaphore is for signaling. This means they have some differences in implementation extending beyond simply limiting semaphore to get a mutex.

      • jamescostian 5 days ago

        AFAIK, the only difference between "semaphore of 1" and "mutex" is that a semaphore is definitely able to be signaled by someone who isn't holding a lock, whereas a mutex is sometimes only able to be signaled/unlocked by whoever acquired the lock.

        As long as you trust the code running on your machine (if you don't, you have bigger issues to worry about), you'll be fine - nobody signals a semaphore before waiting on it if they're hoping to achieve mutual exclusion

  • SlowRobotAhead 5 days ago

    >to be able to do extra work at the end of the task, we wrap our task into a task that call the given tasks and performs the extra work

    Yea, a bit confusing. He surely knew what he meant but I didn’t.

    Given the prevalence of mutexes and semaphores in embedded I was hoping to take something useful away, but yea the issue is I have no other work to do. I can’t do anything really until this read or write or access is done. I can’t write here until this read is finished not because of access but logically I need input to determine output, etc. A bit different from your comment, but similar lines i think.

  • gpderetta 5 days ago

    It is a scheduler, but it is different from a typical OS scheduler. On most OSs, when a thread locks a mutex it keeps running on its original CPU, it is not suspended and resumed in the CPU that last locked that mutex (which would be an approximation for the behaviour of this architecture).

Noumenon72 5 days ago

I'm expecting someone to come denigrate your approach in the comments, but the fact you made this readable and kept me with you to the end is a real feat of communication. Thanks for putting in all the effort to re-explain, color-code, and consider objections.

kettlecorn 5 days ago

I believe a number of video game engines use this approach.

There’s a talk about this approach in the game Destiny: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022164/Multithreading-the-Ent...

And also in the Uncharted engine: http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/gdc2015/presentations/G...

They go a step further by allowing threads to pause and resume their state by changing the stack pointer.

These sort of systems are useful in games where you basically want to be using all of the cpu all of the time and there’s no reason to ever give control back to the operating system’s scheduler (with mutexes).

cyphar 5 days ago

I'm not entirely sure that I agree with the section comparing mutexes and task dispatch. It appears that the comparison is actually between a spinlock and task dispatch -- most other kinds of mutexes put a process into an interruptible state that allow the scheduler to run a different process. So I would contend that they act in a very similar fashion in practice. At least, that's how locking works within the Linux kernel (and I think pthreads locks work the same way on Linux).

However, I do quite like this way of thinking about synchronisation. I wonder how many other kinds of synchronisation primitives (I'm thinking about RCU and seqlocks) can be re-thought using this method.

kahlonel 5 days ago

> Here, instead of blocking on the second thread when executing the blue task, the scheduler picks up a yellow task;

This only works if the second thread's yellow task is independent of its blue task's results. Which is, unfortunately, only 1% of the cases.

gpderetta 5 days ago

Nice article.

A few high performance C++ systems use variants of the dispatcher approach. For example ScyllaDB and I know of a few HFT systems like that. Boost.asio is similar (the serializer is, or used to be, called strand) and so is the dispatcher proposal in C++.

A few systems I have seen strictly map each dispatcher to a thread (which is in turn exclusively pinned to an hardware core), so the serialization is implicit. "Active" objects expose their home dispatcher and to interact with the object one would post a lambda to that object dispatcher. In practice this is a form of async message passing. To get the answer back either a response callback is posted to the original thread or some future/promise abstraction is used.

proneb1rd 5 days ago

I think the author eventually came up with what libdispatch already does using queues.

tyingq 5 days ago

Interesting that a 101 style explanation wouldn't tell you that mutex is derived from "mutually exclusive".

Otherwise, a pretty nice overview. The bar charts are helpful.

  • ludston 5 days ago

    Likely because the target audience is programmers whom use mutexes rather than programmers whom do not write threaded code.

    • swift532 5 days ago

      Please don't be mad as I'm not trying to provoke, but I believe 'who' goes here, not 'whom', as from what I understand, whom is used when something is being done/given to something. Perhaps I'm simplifying, but it's just like nouns etc. in the accusative case work in languages which have grammatical cases.

      • usefulcat 5 days ago

        TL;DR: 'whom' is to 'him' as 'who' is to 'he'.

        For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for him (not 'he').

        Who is there? He (not 'him') is there.

        • rlucas 5 days ago

          Ooh, now do the predicate nominative!

djcapelis 5 days ago

This is kinda the type of model I use my little lock-free SPSC workqueues for: https://github.com/djcapelis/atomic-ring

You just have things do stuff and then toss pointers to threads on the other side of the workqueue. Most things I do this with I basically keep each thread in a different part of the pipeline and they pass the task to the next one. Sometimes this means each thread has a warm cache for the part of the task it's working on, assuming the majority of the working set of each task is more correlated with the stage of the pipeline than the specific data moving through it.

joantune 5 days ago

This sounds a lot like going from the Lock/Mutexes/Semaphores paradigm into an Actor system.

OP - i.e. @ingve - it might be interesting to take a look into some strategies - like the pull one - on Actor systems like AKKA

gok 5 days ago

Sounds like libdispatch

  • thealistra 5 days ago

    Yep, working in iOS/OS X for 9 years now. The primitives are queues not mutexes.

al2o3cr 5 days ago

The skeleton of the approach suggested reminds me of how the BEAM runs processes: one OS thread per CPU, scheduling many lightweight tasks listening to message queues.

Gupie 5 days ago

What does he mean by "static world", "static task"?

  • lucozade 5 days ago

    They mean that, if you know upfront how long every task takes and the order they need to run in, it's straightforward to lay out a schedule that has no resource contention.

    I'm not sure that that's true in general but it's true that it's easier than when you don't know those things.

Annatar 5 days ago

Enqueuing tasks per resource is a very old concept in computer science; this is nothing new and anyone with a computer science degree should have come out of the university with having written such a task scheduler under their belt.

  • antoinevg 5 days ago

    Yet, most people with a computer science degree have not come out of the university with having written such a task scheduler under their belt.

    • Annatar a day ago

      That says more about how bad the curriculum is than about them. Still, anyone doing any serious programming has either had to or will need to write such an enqueuing scheduler at least once in their career, because such a solution is really useful.

    • yellowapple 5 days ago

      Also, not all of us have computer science degrees.

      • Annatar a day ago

        Then it's high time to get one, otherwise those people have no business being in the IT industry.

        • yellowapple 18 hours ago

          Cool, so I guess my career is meaningless, then. :)

          Getting a degree is something I very much want to do, but it's something I haven't been able to do (due to the time and money required to do it). I ended up jumping straight into the workforce in the hopes that at some point I'll have saved up enough to actually enroll (since my high school grades left much to be desired; it's a miracle I even got my HS diploma).

          Really, though, 99.995% of IT (in my experience at least) doesn't actually require a degree (obviously, since I'm doing it right this very moment without a degree and have been doing so for more than half a decade). It does require a lot of background knowledge that, sure, might've come to me faster had I received a formal education in IT, but I've been able to acquire it just fine through real-world work experience (and have been paid for it, to boot).

          My interest in getting a degree has more to do with my interest in a lot of the more theoretical concepts. I'm able to stumble through a lot of things via self teaching, but I do feel like I'm missing various critical pieces, so I'd like to fix that. None of those pieces are getting in the way of me doing my current job, but I do feel like my career is prone to stagnation if I don't have those pieces.

          • Annatar 8 hours ago

            Really, though, 99.995% of IT (in my experience at least) doesn't actually require a degree (obviously, since I'm doing it right this very moment without a degree and have been doing so for more than half a decade). It does require a lot of background knowledge that, sure, might've come to me faster had I received a formal education in IT, but I've been able to acquire it just fine through real-world work experience (and have been paid for it, to boot).

            Unfortunately, that is not true: you can get by twiddling something, but the software you'll write without formal education in computer algorithms and data structures will always be inferior and often unmaintainable. This is from personal experience debugging lots of code over the years written by people without formal computer science education.

            You could attempt to make the argument that not everyone needs to be a programmer, but system administration skills of such people are also subpar: sooner or later one needs to automate, and the shell scripts written by such people are always either hacked together or overcomplicated because the knowledge of algorithms, data structures and common solutions (like this enqueuing scheduler) simply isn't there. It's exceedingly difficult to educate oneself on something one isn't even aware exists.

            If you really love IT and love what you do, get a computer science degree which provides a quality, required education (and not just for the paper so you can say you have one).

tirumaraiselvan 5 days ago

I would like to compare this with Haskell's STM.

contravariant 5 days ago

Looks like a reinvention of async/await.

ericnyamu 5 days ago

Why do you use faint font like that.the article is unreadable.what did black font ever do to you ?