I will 100% try this within the next weeks. I am ddg-ing every possible variation of "ethical adsense alternative" without any useful leads for months now.
I haven't had an experience. That's the point. Most of my projects remain unmonetized for ethical reasons. The only thing I could find until now was tize[0], which is a completely different approach to advertising that didn't strike me as particularly circumspect.
Tize looks pretty cool. I will check it out more. Note to Tize branding folks, "get woke" as a call to action? Made me laugh but not sure if it was meant to be cheeky or not.
That said, trying to actually get started (as a publisher) is a little challenging. Theres no reference to the script that has to be loaded on the dashboard -- I had to find it in your FAQ.
I cant remove a site that had a typo in the address -- when I tried to overwrite it I now have two with the same name.
I'm also hitting a CORB issue on my dev site -- though to be honest I havent spent too much time yet on it, but it is preventing me from deploying ContextCue ads
Thanks for trying this out! We should probably warn potential users that this is still in the early stages (we've been working on this for nearly a year and figured we should get some feedback).
1. Definitely a good idea (I'm glad you could find it in the FAQ though!)
2. We definitely need to be able to edit sites, just didn't make it in time.
3. We probably need to revisit how the development flow is here. I believe the site needs to match the hostname + port. Ex. "localhost:3000"
I always thought a way to have individually targeted ads but not give up privacy is for the user to indicate what topics they are or are not interested in. An agent could manage an anonymous profile somewhere that provided a identifying token that the user's browser provides in place of a tracking cookie.
EDIT: The website says these ads are not individually targeted. Hooray!!
I'm leaving the rest of this comment for context.
...
Wait, these are still individually targeted?
In that case, I need to learn a lot more about them before I can be OK with them -- specifically, how it's possible to individually target ads without collecting data about users.
Nope, we don't do any individual targeting. We base the ads on the website that that the ads are on. We believe that targeting based on the website will still provide relevant ads because the user is already interested in the content of the website. In fact, we don't store any cookies on the user's device.
:clap: This looks great! I'm very excited that ethical ads are becoming more and more common. It looks like this recently launched.
I am the founder of https://CodeFund.app. We are an ethical ad platform that is focused on funding open bloggers, builders and maintainers. We also do not do any tracking of users nor allow 3rd party scripts.
I'd love to connect sometime and see if there's anything we can do to help. We also have a small group that meets each month to discuss ethical ads.
We provide a server-to-server API service that allows HTML rendering sans JavaScript. However, the unethical part of using scripts is not in the fact that scripts are used, but what those scripts include. Yes, there must be trust between parties. This is why we are 100% open source. This is why we ensure that no 3rd party scripts are included alongside ours.
I’m sorry, but I do not believe you can get more ethical than that. I stand behind our mission and our reputation.
How are the ads served? Are you using Javascript or simple images? If it's the former I'm afraid there's no way to trust you (as the JS can change at any time and become malicious).
We use JavaScript to fetch the ads, but the ads themselves are static images. We went with static images for a few reasons.
1) Speed. There's no need to download a bunch of JavaScript, CSS, and HTML.
2) Security. No JS in the ads means no bitcoin mining on the ad network [1]
3) Privacy. Since we host all of the images/ads, advertisers can't inject their own tracking code.
If the JavaScript to load the ads is a non-blocker, send me an email and we can discuss other options.
I love what you're doing here, by the way. This sounds like how advertising should be done.
> We use JavaScript to fetch the ads
Sadly, since I keep JS disabled in order to help protect myself from all the bad advertisers out there, depending on JS means that your system would be filtered out too. Collateral damage and all that.
Perhaps you do this, but if not, then you might consider using a noscript element to alert people like me that they might want to allow your script to run.
This looks awesome! Do you have any info about publisher payout rates, or how the revenue earned (like RPM) compares to, say, Adsense? I'm psyched to try it :)
Who is this company which wants to help me deal with my customer's "trust issues"?
I really am interested in this advertising model because really hate what these trackers have turned the internet into, but when I can't even find a street address and phone number on their web page then that's a no-go for me.
Hey there, I'm Corey one of the developers at ContextCue. Thanks for the feedback! ContextCue is run by me and 3 other developers out of Indianapolis, IN.
If me and 3 designers would start a new project, we would use our original HN accounts to communicate. Put our names on the project and link to our other projects and social media presences.
And we would for sure announce it on our Twitter accounts.
Thanks for raising a good point! We're working on getting an About/Bio page added to our site to better establish our identity and trust with potential customers.
This is a great question, and a very important one.
The number of users referred to your site or product (based on traffic logs) should be similar to the number of ad clicks that you're charged for. This won't be 100% accurate due to some browsers removing the referral header, but there should be a strong correlation between the two.
I think ultimately though, it's about trust. I don't believe it's in our long term interest to attempt to defraud our partners as a company. We do well when our partners do well, and providing fake numbers will cause our partners to have a lower ROI, making them less likely to stay on our network.
It will take time for us to establish trust, but I believe that we won't be successfully unless both advertisers and publishers trust us.
Sorry about this guys, we were so eager to get this out there! We used a template to generate the website and forgot to remove extraneous links. Will be fixed soon. In the meantime, there's no fees for signing up or hosting ads!
Just a heads up, you might want to look over your site. You've got a unfinished tag in the bottom "user data/p>", and several links don't work such as https://contextcue.com/pricing (After clicking the "start now" button it's linked to)
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Those links were to old pages that don't exist anymore, so I removed them from the original page.
We have moved most of our support/information resources over to https://support.contextcue.com for now, since we do have limited resources and we would rather be spending time building the network than building contact forms :)
I will 100% try this within the next weeks. I am ddg-ing every possible variation of "ethical adsense alternative" without any useful leads for months now.
You will have the same experience from this one :(
At least judging from their page where all they claim is ethically correct, not effectiveness.
I haven't had an experience. That's the point. Most of my projects remain unmonetized for ethical reasons. The only thing I could find until now was tize[0], which is a completely different approach to advertising that didn't strike me as particularly circumspect.
0: https://tize.io/
Tize looks pretty cool. I will check it out more. Note to Tize branding folks, "get woke" as a call to action? Made me laugh but not sure if it was meant to be cheeky or not.
Interesting idea and I am excited to try out.
That said, trying to actually get started (as a publisher) is a little challenging. Theres no reference to the script that has to be loaded on the dashboard -- I had to find it in your FAQ.
I cant remove a site that had a typo in the address -- when I tried to overwrite it I now have two with the same name.
I'm also hitting a CORB issue on my dev site -- though to be honest I havent spent too much time yet on it, but it is preventing me from deploying ContextCue ads
Thanks for trying this out! We should probably warn potential users that this is still in the early stages (we've been working on this for nearly a year and figured we should get some feedback).
1. Definitely a good idea (I'm glad you could find it in the FAQ though!)
2. We definitely need to be able to edit sites, just didn't make it in time.
3. We probably need to revisit how the development flow is here. I believe the site needs to match the hostname + port. Ex. "localhost:3000"
Thanks -- I can email your support account, but #3 at first was CORS, then it became CORB when I got the ports working (https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/serv...)
Editing of sites is now live–thanks for your patience :)
Good to see.
I always thought a way to have individually targeted ads but not give up privacy is for the user to indicate what topics they are or are not interested in. An agent could manage an anonymous profile somewhere that provided a identifying token that the user's browser provides in place of a tracking cookie.
EDIT: The website says these ads are not individually targeted. Hooray!!
I'm leaving the rest of this comment for context.
...
Wait, these are still individually targeted?
In that case, I need to learn a lot more about them before I can be OK with them -- specifically, how it's possible to individually target ads without collecting data about users.
> that provided a identifying token
If that's what it's doing, then I'm out.
Nope, we don't do any individual targeting. We base the ads on the website that that the ads are on. We believe that targeting based on the website will still provide relevant ads because the user is already interested in the content of the website. In fact, we don't store any cookies on the user's device.
thats not anonymous at all and wouldnt pass gdpr
:clap: This looks great! I'm very excited that ethical ads are becoming more and more common. It looks like this recently launched.
I am the founder of https://CodeFund.app. We are an ethical ad platform that is focused on funding open bloggers, builders and maintainers. We also do not do any tracking of users nor allow 3rd party scripts.
I'd love to connect sometime and see if there's anything we can do to help. We also have a small group that meets each month to discuss ethical ads.
Javascript again... That means putting the balls of my visitors in your hands. I would not do that. It does not feel ethical to me.
I wish there was an ad network that works with static html elements.
We provide a server-to-server API service that allows HTML rendering sans JavaScript. However, the unethical part of using scripts is not in the fact that scripts are used, but what those scripts include. Yes, there must be trust between parties. This is why we are 100% open source. This is why we ensure that no 3rd party scripts are included alongside ours.
I’m sorry, but I do not believe you can get more ethical than that. I stand behind our mission and our reputation.
How are the ads served? Are you using Javascript or simple images? If it's the former I'm afraid there's no way to trust you (as the JS can change at any time and become malicious).
We use JavaScript to fetch the ads, but the ads themselves are static images. We went with static images for a few reasons. 1) Speed. There's no need to download a bunch of JavaScript, CSS, and HTML. 2) Security. No JS in the ads means no bitcoin mining on the ad network [1] 3) Privacy. Since we host all of the images/ads, advertisers can't inject their own tracking code.
If the JavaScript to load the ads is a non-blocker, send me an email and we can discuss other options.
[1]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/now-e...
I love what you're doing here, by the way. This sounds like how advertising should be done.
> We use JavaScript to fetch the ads
Sadly, since I keep JS disabled in order to help protect myself from all the bad advertisers out there, depending on JS means that your system would be filtered out too. Collateral damage and all that.
Perhaps you do this, but if not, then you might consider using a noscript element to alert people like me that they might want to allow your script to run.
That's a good point. We'll add this to our long list of things to do :)
You can use subresource integrity to prevent them swapping out the javascript.
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2015/09/subresource-integrity-in-f...
This looks awesome! Do you have any info about publisher payout rates, or how the revenue earned (like RPM) compares to, say, Adsense? I'm psyched to try it :)
Yes, publishers get payed 70% of our revenue compared to Adsense's 68%.
Who is this company which wants to help me deal with my customer's "trust issues"?
I really am interested in this advertising model because really hate what these trackers have turned the internet into, but when I can't even find a street address and phone number on their web page then that's a no-go for me.
If their claims about not collecting data from users is correct, then this is something I could get behind.
You can read more about our privacy policy here: https://support.contextcue.com/support/privacy-policy Feel free to reach out if you need any help getting started!
It looks strangely anonymous.
Who runs ContextCue?
Where is it located?
Hey there, I'm Corey one of the developers at ContextCue. Thanks for the feedback! ContextCue is run by me and 3 other developers out of Indianapolis, IN.
Hmm...
If me and 3 designers would start a new project, we would use our original HN accounts to communicate. Put our names on the project and link to our other projects and social media presences.
And we would for sure announce it on our Twitter accounts.
None of this happened here. Why?
... maybe they didn't have HN accounts before?
Thanks for raising a good point! We're working on getting an About/Bio page added to our site to better establish our identity and trust with potential customers.
How do I know I can trust the numbers you give me as an Advertiser?
This is a great question, and a very important one.
The number of users referred to your site or product (based on traffic logs) should be similar to the number of ad clicks that you're charged for. This won't be 100% accurate due to some browsers removing the referral header, but there should be a strong correlation between the two.
I think ultimately though, it's about trust. I don't believe it's in our long term interest to attempt to defraud our partners as a company. We do well when our partners do well, and providing fake numbers will cause our partners to have a lower ROI, making them less likely to stay on our network.
It will take time for us to establish trust, but I believe that we won't be successfully unless both advertisers and publishers trust us.
https://contextcue.com/pricing is broken. :|
Sorry about this guys, we were so eager to get this out there! We used a template to generate the website and forgot to remove extraneous links. Will be fixed soon. In the meantime, there's no fees for signing up or hosting ads!
A lot of broken links on https://adstudio.contextcue.com/register
Looks very interesting, I have a few websites where I could maybe slap some of this just to try.
Sweet! Let us know if you need any help getting started on the publisher end of things: https://support.contextcue.com/support/publishers/start-host...
Could this work with a (big evil) prebid stack? Or as a static tag in DFP?
I know that defeats the whole point, but big publishers can’t just make a leap blindly.
Do you provide a list of publishers or share estimated volume numbers?
We just launched today, and are currently recruiting publishers!
Just a heads up, you might want to look over your site. You've got a unfinished tag in the bottom "user data/p>", and several links don't work such as https://contextcue.com/pricing (After clicking the "start now" button it's linked to)
Sorry about this, we were so eager to get this out there! This will be fixed soon.
This should be resolved now. Thank you!
I'm still getting an AccessDenied. Also for https://www.contextcue.com/contact
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Those links were to old pages that don't exist anymore, so I removed them from the original page.
We have moved most of our support/information resources over to https://support.contextcue.com for now, since we do have limited resources and we would rather be spending time building the network than building contact forms :)